Stop Fixing Yourself: The Physics of Getting Unstuck with Jennifer Hough

Kathi: Everyone, we are back and we are with Jennifer Hough, and we're going to talk about Scientuality, which is totally up my league. I love science. I love spirituality. We're going to put it all together and say yeah to that. So welcome, Jennifer.

Jennifer: I'm so excited to be here, Kathi. Thanks for having me.

Kathi: Absolutely. We're going to have a good conversation. So talk to me about this science, religion. How did it all culminate as something that was a big part of your life? What's the backstory about you, Jennifer? Let's hear it.

Jennifer: Well, the backstory is this. Basically, in my confirmation class, I didn't believe the minister that was teaching me. And bless all sorts of great truths within every religion, and they seem to have all of those truths in common, right? And then I had a teacher in grade 12, and in Canada there was also a grade 13, believe it or not. My physics teacher was from Nigeria. I loved him. Big round dude. And he got me very excited about the laws of physics. So I started asking about spirituality when I was in grade 12 or 13, and it shifted my perspective. Not that I would believe physics over spirituality, because even if you're religious, it doesn't necessarily make you spiritual. And so what ended up happening is I wanted to know how the world works, how everything works, how some people are in flow and some people aren't. Why does everything come to some people? Why is it easy for some people, and why is it so hard for other people? And I wanted to know the science of it. Kathi, honestly, there are so many stories I could tell you, but the kickoff story: I ran the largest holistic nutrition practice in Canada. Before that, I was an economist. I was an economist who got sick, who studied nutrition.

Kathi: Interesting.

Jennifer: My practice grew really big because I understood business already, right? I worked for a big multinational. So I was only studying nutrition, but people were asking me, what happened to you? So my start was through health and biology. And in the end, what happened is that I started to be able to answer the question, how do things just come to people? Because as I changed my mind, my beliefs, my understanding of life, every change resulted in more openings of abundance. And I didn't want it just to be some fluffy nebulous thing, because I'm not really a fluffy, nebulous person. I'm very, very practical. So as I became more and more practical with stuff, I wanted systems. I wanted to know how physics works. Why do some people thrive? And my definition of thriving is everything's coming to you rather than you having to go after it. So why are some people living in that amount of overflow, and why are some people just struggling? Everything's a struggle. And so I developed the thriving operating system, which is a combination of a connection to the reason why we're alive, I would say spirituality in that sense, and the science of it: what are the physics of that that we can count on, so that everyone can use this information. It makes sense. It's practical. So that's really where I came out of. And I can tell you stories and stories of just over-the-top miracles. One of them, it's so funny because I'm full circling it right now, happened in Albany, New York, and I just flew in through Albany, New York. So it's a real full circle of one of those miracles, where I ended up getting a first-class seat with someone else's dog in my lap. My original seat was a middle seat. I'm five foot ten. Sitting in the middle seat is a big no-no. And the way it happened, someone just gifted me their first-class seat, and it happened to be the seat beside the dog that I noticed when I got on the plane. And I'm like, how did that happen? Because that falls into the category of you can't make this stuff up. There must be a science of this, right? So from then forward, I'm like, I want to live in that much flow, and I want to show other people how to do that.

My definition of thriving is everything's coming to you rather than you having to go after it.

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Kathi: Okay. Well, you make it sound so simple, Jennifer. Change your thoughts, change your mind. It's been going through my brain for two weeks. Change your thoughts, change your mind, you change your life. And so you started with health issues, and then you started developing things that would help your body integrate and feel better, and then you started having aha moments around that.

Jennifer: Right. But lots of people do that stuff. Here's the distinction between what we do. Everybody freaking does that: change your thoughts and change your life. Oh, whatever. It's everywhere. That is not what we do.

Kathi: Okay, let's hear it.

Jennifer: Exactly. So we're not all about changing your thoughts so you can change your life. Well, we are in a way, but if you change your thoughts, you can imagine that a group of thoughts equals a belief. So then everyone went for change your belief and change your life. And I thought, I could work on beliefs from past lives until the cows come home. So there has to be another way. If there is an infinite universe and I'm a child of that infinite wisdom, then there is no freaking way that it has to be that hard. So I asked the question. Life is about asking really good questions. And the question was, how do I change thousands of beliefs at a time? How can I change my entire way of operating so that then my beliefs, the ones that are stopping me, just don't make sense to me anymore? Because the thoughts come from what you believe, right? So what happened was I basically realized that when you put a bunch of beliefs together, you get a paradigm. And I thought, how do you change the paradigm? Can I give an example? So for instance, there's a paradigm about being a woman in North America. The paradigm about being a woman in North America is, maybe in the background, it's a little bit harder because you're a woman. Maybe you get the extra degree. You might have kids, you might not, but mostly you might, and it's a good thing to get married, and there's a whole paradigm that's built on different religions and all sorts of stuff. Now, the beliefs about being a woman: if you're going to show up in a job and it's already hard, then you've got to look good, you've got to feel good, you've got to be strong, you've got to be able to do a lot of stuff to be able to manage what's at home and what's blah, blah, blah. There's a lot of carrying going on. And then on top of it all, you have to be a good person, because a virtuous woman is more valuable, and all this kind of stuff. And then there's thoughts that we have, like, oh my God, these clothes don't look good on me. Oh my gosh, I've got to go work out at the gym. You see? Paradigm, belief, thoughts.

When you put a bunch of beliefs together, you get a paradigm.

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Kathi: Stop for one sec. You said there's a lot of carrying going on, and I thought that was really good. As opposed to caring. Carrying a lot of things. Okay, continue.

Jennifer: Because we carry, meaning we worry about a lot of people and a lot of things. And because we have an overseeing brain, a general-manager-of-the-universe brain, we can see a lot, unlike a man's brain tends to be. We can't generalize on anyone, because some women are very laser beam, but men are more laser beam and get-her-done, and women have that I-can-see-the-whole-picture thing going on. So how do you change the paradigm? Well, I started studying the laws of physics. I started studying where we came from. I started studying the scientific fact that in order for the equation to work in the universe that Einstein was studying, actually in you, at the basis of your atoms, right before we get to subatomic quantum particles, in your proton, there has to be the actual world of the possibility of the universe itself. So in other words, imagine that there is a vacuum there that contains all possibility, exactly the same as the universe. So here you are. And we mostly don't connect to that, because we live our lives up here.

Kathi: Right.

Jennifer: It's all about what we see. So I thought to myself, what if I lived my life actually as a divine child of that? So how do I do that? How do you actually activate that? Then it would transcend. I would be disinterested in the belief systems about the things that confined me as a woman, or as a human being for that matter. And how you know, from a subatomic scale, whether you're on track with a thriving operating system, that you've transcended the density and the paradigms and the confines of all the shoulds, musts and have-to-dos of society, and I know you know this, is that you feel expansive. It's actually a feeling within your body. Unlimited, right? As opposed to contractive. And when you say unlimited, yes, but imagine that there's actually a physical feeling. You can actually use your cells to tell whether you are contractive or expansive. But we don't go to ourselves. What we do is we compare what we think, and our judgments based on what we're afraid of, to the current situation. And then it activates a whole biochemistry in the body that keeps you away from ever being present to the level of miraculous that I'm talking about. Because 25 years, 30 years ago, I probably took Landmark and just classes and courses and things, everything to try to fix myself. And at some point, I'm like, what if I don't need fixing? What if I could just jump into a paradigm that's called I want to go direct with consciousness and have everything come to me? Not like I don't do work. Not like I'm sitting on a lawn chair drinking a mojito, because we're all creators, right? But in fact, to have a great life, it has to be fun to create. But when you've got all sorts of shoulds, musts and have-tos, everything feels hard and confined and all that kind of stuff. So this is the shift. It is a quantum leap from what most people are taught. It is not talking about beliefs. I'm not interested in talking about beliefs. It's too slow. I am like efficiency, productivity. I'm just a ferret for that stuff, right? I don't want anything to take extra time. So that's how it was birthed. I just became disinterested in endlessly looking at limiting beliefs. I just wanted to shift the entire way I plugged into life. I didn't want to plug into life like everybody.

What if I don't need fixing?

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Kathi: Well, and whatever you look at expands. So why look at limiting beliefs, right? You're going to be limited looking at limiting beliefs.

Jennifer: Well, that's what analysis does, right? Endlessly analyze how come we're stuck. But it never gets us to thriving. You will always find more, because consciousness, the laws of physics, say as long as you're focused in on what you're trying to get out of your own way about, you actually never are living out of your own way. We have this erroneous, crazy-ass belief that somehow if I analyze the living daylights out of everything that's wrong with me, and go to enough people to fix this or that, and get energy work and do this and that, and go to enough consultants and counselors and all that kind of stuff, that eventually… No. The laws of physics say exactly the opposite. Work with people that teach you how to expand into all of who you are. And from that higher perspective and that higher frequency, for me, it's the greater view of how the laws that actually govern existence work. From that greater view, you can look back at your life, and you can look back at all the things that have been perceptively confining you just because you thought so. And all of a sudden, the reperception of it from the higher view, seeing it from the bigger picture, that reperception will actually change your entire past. But the focus isn't changing your past first. It's actually getting yourself to the frequency where you can do that.

Kathi: And I think getting to the frequency, you said something that's interesting. What if I don't need fixing, right? What if I am perfect, whole and complete at the basis of who I am?

Jennifer: Well, here's a concept shift right here. What if you're not a you? What if you're not a static you, right? What if you are actually a forward trajectory on purpose? What if your existence is not a static Kathi or a static Jennifer? What if, when we talk about you, all a you is is an intention to create upon creation in ways that never have been imagined? That's a forward trajectory filled with possibilities and choice points that would leave this world better than it was when you came. And before you came, you knew you would do that. And what if your life, the thing you call you, is actually the evolution of a soul rather than a static accomplishment factory? And so all of a sudden, what happens is this world becomes a playing field. It becomes a playing field for creativity and co-creativity with people you love and adore, right? And how do we do that? Because we don't know how to do that. We've been taught that this is a world where it's dog eat dog. You have to work hard. Everything's a competition. You certainly don't collaborate that much. And if you do collaborate, you have to really trust them and get everything, all the T's, the legal documents and everything, because you never know. Instead of actually following how physics works. And as you know, it is just astounding. And there are tenets to the thriving operating system. We all have superpowers that allow us to live both in the land of our greater wisdom and on the earth, and not in a woo way, in a very pragmatic way. I have a seven-figure business. I didn't do that being woo-woo. I did it being on the planet and bringing through the laws of physics so that I could do that. And everyone can do it. It's a cool thing. It's like an even playing field. It's so great.

What if you're not a static you? What if you are actually a forward trajectory on purpose?

Kathi: Yeah, we all have the ability to do it if we get out of our own way, I suppose. And so you're with the idea that we're individuations of consciousness, here to expand consciousness.

Jennifer: Absolutely. Yep.

Kathi: And I think that's helpful to know.

Jennifer: But that's why we don't need fixing. Because the original question is, why do you need fixing? Well, you don't need fixing, because literally, I was such a perfectionist before, right? I am totally not that anymore. Because in understanding ourselves as a trajectory of creativity on whatever subject we want to be creative about, multiple ones in a day if you want, what happens is, if this isn't a perfection-based world, the only perfection is that we're creators. Just think of what creativity, or creation, fingers of the hand of God, means. Fingers of the hand of creation. It means that we have access to the resources of the infinite, which make up 99.139% of us. But we're here down in the point-zero-one, focusing all that metaphysical stuff through this little physical body, and we're creating in the physical. So imagine that everything we're creating upon existed in another form before. We got the inspiration or the catalyst from something that was before, meaning it wasn't perfect then, and then we created upon it. Just think of how we communicated with tin cans and wires, and then we had a telephone, and then we had a cell phone, and then we had a way better cell phone. And so everything is being created. That is the format. The reason we feel bad when we try to fix ourselves is because the way consciousness tells us that we're going the wrong way is that contractive feeling of, oh, I broke it. Look, I did it wrong again. I was talking to someone about a business yesterday, a client, and she's doing things all this other person's way, and I'm like, dude, that's not your way. She says, but it works for them. And I'm like, first of all, you're a woman, he's a man. Second of all, you're a total sensitive, creative, holy cow, expansive being, and you need very few technical systems, but enough to channel that magical nature of yours to be able to land it in clients, right? We just keep upgrading the cell phone. We're creators. It's in the design that things wouldn't be optimized, because how can you create? If everything was perfect, you'd never create anything, right?

Kathi: So you can't get it wrong, and it's never done, right?

Jennifer: That's exactly it.

Kathi: Yeah, because we have all the judgment about things. Oh, but it could have been better. Well, yeah. So do it better, keep doing it better, and someone else is going to do it better after you, and it's just going to get better and better and better.

Jennifer: You're going to love this. So can I say my dad's favorite saying?

Kathi: Yes.

Jennifer: It's terrible. Just warning you. And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. No judgment. That would be perfectly fine. But I'm just telling you. It's like, yeah, it should have been better. It could have been better. I get it. But it wasn't.

Kathi: All right. So we've been talking a lot about ethereal things. Let's do something practical here. We've got to give a practical step one. What are you going to do, Jennifer? To the people that are like, I am so attracted to this information. I want to get it. I don't quite get it. What can I do? What's step one?

Jennifer: Step one is being willing. So I'm going to give a practical step, but the intention of this step is to be able to be open to getting nonlinear results. In other words, absolutely have in mind what you want in 3D. That's great. So it's as though you do a vision board, right? And on the vision board you have all these very pragmatic things. But what I'm saying is, only make those pragmatic things, and those words and pictures that you want, or the business plan, but the last third of the business plan, on every page, has to say or better. So what we want to do is we want to open to or better. So every vision board you have, on the back of the vision board put or better. Or if you have a business plan, put or better on the back of all the pages. One way to start making that real in your life is to get a journal and call it your evidence journal. I call it the or better evidence journal. Every day, collect at least three results that you got that were not based on your intention. They were different: more efficient, more productive, more fun, more delighting, more whatever. And so it's an evidence journal, every night before you go to bed. That way, when you let go of your consciousness, the state you go to bed in, because you will wake up in the same state, is the expectation of or betters, nonlinear results. So it's opening the consciousness to nonlinear results.

Kathi: Absolutely love that. When we move, it's always like, it's going to be this much or more. It's going to be this much or better.

Jennifer: There you go. Yep.

Kathi: This much and more. That's the mantra. And I find that when my husband and I put both of our minds together on that same path, it just magnifies.

Jennifer: It's crazy, right? When my husband and I are aligned, sometimes I'm like, this is so good.

Kathi: Well, thank you for that good tip. So everybody go out there and try it. And I love the fact that it's not a gratitude journal. This is your evidential journal of what's actually physically happened to you.

Jennifer: Yep.

Kathi: Because I think sometimes… I mean, I love gratitude journals too. There's no doubt about it. But being grateful is kind of like a yearning, and I think evidential is, this is what really happened. Like, you've been manifesting quarters lately. So it's like, okay, let's see how many quarters we can find that are just there presenting themselves to us. Just simple things like that. And then that's evidence that yes, the universe is responding. The universe is working through us and as us.

Jennifer: And the thing is, the more you collect evidence… There's so much talk about manifestation out there, and not that that's not fun, but your whole life is a manifestation. Everything's a manifestation. You're never not manifesting something, right? So for me, intentionality around specifics… The particles of physics that exist out there have access to all the resources of everything that exists, scientifically speaking. So when you're looking for or betters, that means the 99.139% are now in a co-conspiracy for the miraculous for you. And when you're just interested in having an intention and then having it happen the way you intended, that's called surviving better than most people. I'm not interested in surviving better. I'm interested in thriving and actually living in overflow, and I want to know that I've manifested something only by the fact that I didn't even intend it, and it's far better than what I would have imagined anyways.

I'm not interested in surviving better. I'm interested in thriving and actually living in overflow.

Kathi: Yes, and that's how it works, I've found.

Jennifer: Yes, it can. But we have to understand there's surviving better, which is intention manifestation, and then there's thriving, which is basically living in the expectation that it will always be… You can't do this mentally. It's an experiential journey to get yourself to the place to be that different. That was my whole scientific study, right? How do you get to the place where you live in overflow? Because I was micromanaging and controlling everything and trying to make it perfect.

Kathi: And perfection is overrated anyhow.

Jennifer: We can't be perfect, because literally you, as an entity, are a trajectory. You're not a static thing.

Kathi: Yeah. Wow. Well, I'm skipping all my questions that I normally ask people, because…

Jennifer: I know. What's that about?

Kathi: This is my wheelhouse, girlfriend. We are so in tune that we just have to have this great conversation. And I think anybody who ends up listening to it is going to be the person that really wants to hear this kind of thing. That's what it's all about. So I very much appreciate the fact that you're practical.

Jennifer: Yes. Tactical.

Kathi: Yes. And not the woo-woo thing. You've actually figured this out from a scientific perspective.

Jennifer: Yes. And from that scientific perspective, what's the most efficient, pragmatic way to have the experiences that allow you to permanently change your relationship to life, rather than doing exercises to shift your beliefs? Your beliefs can shift much more efficiently when you have experiences that are irrefutable evidence of what life is meant to be about. God, I remember, Kathi, just watching people who would live in overflow. Not in all ways, but in some ways. And my curiosity was always, how did that happen? I knew a woman who was like 65 years old, and I was 40, so I thought she was ancient. Ha. And I remember being 40 years old and watching her, and this woman had so many things come to her. People offered her houses, places to stay. She lived in Hawaii for a year for nothing. In her business, she always had more than enough money. That wasn't my way of living, but I also knew her to be a great example of how everything can come to you. I just wanted to know the science of that. No matter what kind of way we want to live, whether we're the CEO of a company, which I work with many of those too, or whether you're just, you know, that woman. What is that? Are some people just lucky? No.

Kathi: Interesting. Is there anything that you want to talk about that we haven't really discussed? Any points to make, any stories you want to tell, as we do a wrap?

Jennifer: I would say that for the past year, my husband has had a lot going on, and I was taking care of him. So imagine taking care of a house, taking care of every meal, shopping, everything. First of all, it certainly got me really efficient, even more. And I love efficiency. So I had to be efficient about the house, about how it got taken care of, about groceries, everything. And then I'm the president of the company, so I had to run that as well. And I am so feeling entirely blessed that I know what I know. The amount of love that came my way, practical love like meals, and from complete strangers. And I kept my sanity, which is a whole other thing. But just keeping my sanity would have been surviving better, right? My business actually grew through all of that, Kathi. I'm not special. I am not some special person. I was just deeply curious, and I have a deep, deep passion for productivity and efficiency and for clarity, which is why a whole other aspect is being able to holographically see people, but that's beside the point. This operating system works for everybody. So for me, ask the right question. And the right question is not, how do I fix myself? How do I stop myself from being broken? It's, how do I actually learn to thrive, so that in my thriving I can look back at everything that happened and reperceive hundreds of beliefs at a time and be free. And so it's not spiritually bypassing, because if it's really meant to be looked at, you will be dogged by it, and there's all sorts of things I've had to look at. But there are so many things that can just move through in the grace of just being willing to be given to at that level. So, practicalities: systems I put in place that came to me because of other people trying to help, and because of myself doing my little investigative stuff. Systems, 3D systems. And just being a person. This is a big one for me, because I ran on independence disease for a long time, right? The receptivity factor shifting, because a thriving operating system requires a beingness shift in our degree of receptivity. So that's what I would say.

Kathi: Love that. Okay, so our guests will typically have something that they will offer the audience. For anybody who's intrigued and wants to follow up with you or learn more from you, how can they get in touch, and is there anything that you would like to offer them as a jump start?

Jennifer: Oh, jump start for sure. So there is an experience that we take people on, experiential. It's conversations that marry the left brain and the right brain. So it's one of those quantum leapy things rather than just having an aha. So it's ten days of that on…

Kathi: Oh, we froze up. Let's see. I don't think it's me. I know Jennifer is in a location that is a little bit different than her usual location. Here we go. Jennifer, you had frozen up for a second, so let's go again with that.

Jennifer: Oh, sorry. So there's something called 10 Days of Getting Unstuck. Basically, it's ten days of experiential videos, less than ten minutes every time, that allow you to marry your left brain and your right brain and make those quantum leaps that cause a thriving leap rather than just a surviving better leap. So it's a really cool thing that we did. And basically they can just find it at thewideawakening.com/signup, and for ten days you'll get that. And if someone really resonates with me, in all honesty, Kathi, I just love doing discovery calls. I'm happy to look at people's holographic universe and where they're stuck for a half an hour, but only if you really authentically want to have a conversation about how I can work with you. And so you can just email me directly with discovery call in the subject line. I'm so happy to have those conversations.

Kathi: Perfect. That's great. And we'll put those down in the show notes as well. Actually, I don't think I'll put the email in the show notes, but I'll put the website in the show notes. And anybody who's…

Jennifer: Yeah, I can give you the link for making a discovery call.

Kathi: Perfect. That is fantastic. Well, I really appreciate this time. We're so in sync with each other, which is why we resonated immediately when we met each other last year. This is a great interview. I really appreciate your time, and I hope everyone out there enjoyed this. Join me next week for our next guest. But meanwhile, definitely check out Jennifer Hough. You will expand your horizons and expand your life and learn how to thrive. That's what it's all about. Let's all thrive together. Come on now. Overflow. Hello. Overflow. Hello. Thank you so much.

Jennifer: Thanks, Kathi. Thanks for having me.

Kathi: Absolutely.